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Action, Thriller, Sci-FiRelease Date :
May 22, 2009Director :
McGStarring :
Christian Bale, Anton Yelchin, Sam Worthington, Moon Bloodgood, Common, Bryce Dallas Howard, Helena Bonham Carter, Roland Kickinger, Chris Ashworth, Jadagrace, Chris Ashworth
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Impressive Flash Poster of 'Terminator Salvation'
November 26, 2008 02:11:19Hypening up the promo for "Terminator Salvation", Sony Pictures have released a new full-motion poster for the action thriller. Highlighting on the transformation of Los Angeles in the next nine years, the poster shows the destruction progress of the city from 2009 to 2018.
Beginning with an overhead shot of normal Los Angeles in 2009, the poster slowly morphs into the face of a terminator, particularly the early T-model, following explosion, collapsing buildings, and fire. The transformation ends when the tagline, "The End Begins", appears. The flash poster can be seen at Sony Pictures site.
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'Terminator Salvation' Footage Screened, McG Shares His Thought
November 20, 2008 10:11:46An exclusive footage of the upcoming fourth "Terminator" movie, "Terminator Salvation", has been shown to assembled journalists at a special "roadshow" event in Leicester Square, London on Tuesday, November 18. And, IGN has come out with a written description of the so-called world exclusive footage.
The footage reportedly begins with a shot of Marcus Wright opening his eyes and asking, "What day is it? What year?" His question is answered by Kyle Reece who states that they are in the year of 2018. Then, the idea of "Judgment Day" is thrown. The sequences following present clues to the storylines. One of which shows the machines taking live prisoners, so that they can use the prisoners' stem cells and DNA to develop the T800.
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'Terminator Salvation' Video Exposes New Types of Terminators
November 10, 2008 01:11:01Horror Movies has found a brand new featurette of McG-directed "Terminator Salvation". Essentially a video interview with production designer Martin Laing, the featurette has exposed many spoilers about the much awaited action thriller from where the story is taking place to the new types of Terminators. Many never-before-seen footage cut off from the latest of the "Terminator" franchise have also been included in the video.
Starring Christian Bale as John Connor, the man whose fate brings him to lead resistance army, "Salvation" is set in post-apocalyptic 2018. The story centers on Marcus Wright played by Sam Worthington as this stranger, whose last memory is of being on death row, joins Connor in a journey that leads them to the uncovering of the terrible secret behind the possible annihilation of mankind by Skynet and its army of killing cyborgs.
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'Terminator Salvation' Wrapped Filming, McG Shares Update
October 23, 2008 02:10:13As "Terminator Salvation" falls into its post-production phase, director McG comes out with an update about the development of the action thriller. Posting a new message in the film's official blog, the filmmaker whose real name is Joseph McGinty Nichol announced that the taking of the film's principal photography has been completed and now the crew is moving on with the post production.
McG also revealed that both Christian Bale and Sam Worthington have seen the film's early cuts and "seem pleased with where the film is headed". On the visual effect work, he shared, "There's one sequence in particular where we're trying to achieve something that's never been done before. I don't want to talk about it because we haven't been successful yet..."
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'Terminator Salvation' Shooting Stalled for Helena Bonham Carter
August 25, 2008 02:08:58Family tragedy has forced Helena Bonham Carter to stall the production of "Terminator Salvation". According to WENN, the "Sweeney Todd" actress has to leave the set of the forthcoming action thriller to offer encouragement to her grieving family after getting news about the tragic death of her family's members.
Reports claimed that before she flew back to Britain, Bonham Carter has been given an indefinite leave from the film's set in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The long-time partner of renowned filmmaker Tim Burton has been signed to join the cast ensemble of the McG-directed action movie to portray the pivotal role of the villain, Serena. What effect should this delay of shooting in her part bring to the movie is still uncertain.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger Possibly Lending Voice to 'Terminator Salvation'
August 23, 2008 11:08:50It has been confirmed previously that the original "Terminator" star, Arnold Schwarzenegger, won't be appearing in the forthcoming "Terminator Salvation", but it doesn't mean that he is completely cut off from the movie. Recently, it has been inferred that the actor-turned-California Governor will lend his voice to the film.
Sparking speculation that Schwarzenegger will do a voiceover, the action fantasy movie's producer Moritz Borman told Wired, "Schwarzenegger is governing California. He will not be, as a person, in the film." When asked further on the hidden meaning of his remark, he said, "I'm not going to answer the question about what we're trying, or what we want, or what we're toying with. It's really up to what fits in the film or not. Maybe his voice, or maybe not. It's really not settled."
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'Terminator Salvation' Title Holds Plot Secret
August 21, 2008 09:08:50While many are still trying to gather more bits about the storyline of the latest "Terminator" installment, "Terminator Salvation", from any where they can, one particular place possibly missed out is from the title itself. Talking about the forthcoming action movie, director McG hinted that the title of the movie means more than a mere designation.
To MTV News, the 40-year-old filmmaker suggested that the "Salvation" in "Terminator Salvation" withholds a broad message of the second chance human gets after the apocalypse. "Even though we may sin, ultimately we deserve a second chance," explained McG. It is then explained that the using of the title to decipher the plot is similar to "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" when the "Judgment Day" became the shorthand of the apocalypse.
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The Face-Off 'Terminator 4' Pic of Marcus Wright and John Connor
August 02, 2008 09:08:13At the 2008 San Diego Comic Con, director McG and "Terminator Salvation" presented attending fans with a special footage exposing Sam Worthington as the lead character, Marcus Wright, for the first time. Willing to give others who missed out the opportunity a similar experience, Warner Bros. Pictures released a brand new image from the action thriller.
The fresh pic posted on the news photo features both Wright and John Connor, who is portrayed by Christian Bale, in a face-off against each other. It is explained that this still is a part of the scene where Wright holds himself up while Connor screamed at him, "You killed my father. You killed my mother. But you won't kill me."
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'Terminator Salvation' Having Unique Visual Style, Exposed McG
July 22, 2008 11:07:43Giving an update to his highly anticipated action sci-fi, "Terminator Salvation" director, McG, has updated his production blog. In it, he discusses how far along the movie has been shot and what his vision is on the fourth tidbit made about the human fight against the artificially intelligent killing machines.
Writing on the blog, the 2000's "Charlie's Angels" director noted that "Terminator Salvation" has undergone half of its principal photography. He also revealed that for this film he wants to create a unique visual style. "From a technical perspective, we have set out to achieve a completely new visual style that hasn't been seen before," so claimed the filmmaker.
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Movie Stills: A Closer Look Into John Connor and T-600 in 'Terminator Salvation'
July 19, 2008 10:07:21Following the outing of "Terminator Salvation" teaser awhile back, two significant pictures exposing more of the upcoming action sci-fi movie have come out. One of the photos is an official still from Warner Bros. Pictures, while the other is cut off from the teaser.
The official pic which is posted in the news' photo displays a gritty look into John Connor character. It portrays Christian Bale as Connor taking aim at the head of a cyborg that is pinned beneath a helicopter with a rifle in his hands. Meanwhile, the other picture shows a cyborg which is believed to be T-600. The image can be seen via io9.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator to Be Featured in 'Terminator Salvation'
July 18, 2008 11:07:10For those who is yearning to know more about the upcoming action flick "Terminator Salvation", there is an interesting news coming out recently. The latest report concerning the movie suggested that the artificially intelligent cyborg portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger in the first three "Terminator" films will be making an appearance in this fourth movie.
Unlike in the first three films though, the T-800 series robot won't be starred by its original depicter but instead opts to go with another former bodybuilder Roland Kickinger. Reported by The Clinton News-Record, it is noted that in the forthcoming movie, there will be a scene showing the first meeting between John Connor and the Terminator.
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'Terminator Salvation' Revealed First Look Through Teaser
July 17, 2008 11:07:45Promised to be debuted attached to the theatrical screening of "The Dark Knight" on Friday, July 18, teaser trailer of "Terminator Salvation" has made its way to satisfy curious fans even sooner than planned. Posted via Yahoo!, the video footage doesn't really give out much of the plot but it surely helps the excitement to be built up once again.
Providing the first real look into the movie, the teaser focuses on the John Connor character. It opens with a footage taped from a camera in a moving car. Then, it cuts off to display a skull being crushed by a wheel accompanied with a voiceover from Christian Bale as Connor explaining what he feels about the future.
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Helena Bonham Carter About to Aboard 'Terminator Salvation'
June 30, 2008 01:06:15Helena Bonham Carter, the depicter of Mrs. Lovett in the Golden Globe-winning musical "Sweeney Todd" apparently has been putting her interest in the battle saga between men and robots, "Terminator Salvation". Words are the 42-year-old is in negotiations to land a role in the McG-directed film.
Though it is still unclear what part she will be playing, it is said that her role would be small but holds key element of the action movie. If indeed cast, the Bellatrix Lestrange of "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" will be enlisted among the already signed cast ensemble that include Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin, Bryce Dallas Howard, Moon Bloodgood and Common.
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Teaser Trailer Description of 'Terminator Salvation' Leaked Out
June 21, 2008 02:06:15Back in early June, many online publications have reported that fans of the "Terminator" series have to wait until the latest Batman movie "The Dark Knight" is debuted in theaters on July 18 before they can get a glimpse into the upcoming "Terminator Salvation". But for those who do not waste any more time in getting a slightest idea about the movie, a detailed description of the film's teaser trailer has leaked out.
The written report has been put out firstly by AICN and it pretty much chronicles the teaser. The description starts by noting that the teaser opens with footage showing people in their everyday life. The background voiceover is filled by Christian Bale who depicted John Connor in the movie and as Connor, he gave introduction by saying, "I always knew it would happen...They told me I could stop it...That I could save us..." while the footage shows people looking into the sky and horrified by what they are seeing.
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Teaser Trailer of 'Terminator Salvation' to Debut With 'Dark Knight' Screening
June 12, 2008 09:06:19Though fans and action movie lovers ought to wait until summer of 2009 to see "Terminator Salvation", they don't have to spend a long time wondering how the latest "Terminator" movie will look like. A month into the production of the McG-directed film, it is announced that the teaser trailer to the film will be coming out in July 2008.
The teaser will be introduced to the public starting July 18 with its attachment to the highly anticipated superhero flick "The Dark Knight". The information about the outing of the teaser has been made public via MTV. Reporting from the Licensing Expo in New York, the entertainment network also noted that apart from the teaser, the particular date will be marked also with the release of initial one sheet of "Terminator Salvation".
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'Terminator Salvation' to Replace Kate Connor Depicter
June 02, 2008 04:06:40Before the actors strike gets to be done and can potentially jeopardize the production of "Terminator Salvation" in the future, it seems that filmmakers behind the action thriller film series have taken preventive action. In the latest report concerning the fourth installment of the "Terminator" series once made famous by Arnold Schwarzenegger, it is said that Warner Bros. Pictures have decided to find a replacement for Charlotte Gainsbourg.
The co-star of Cate Blanchett in "I'm Not There" is more likely to be replaced by Bryce Dallas Howard who is now in the state of negotiations for Gainsbourg's role. Slated to portray John Connor's wife, Kate, Gainsbourg had to bow out of the project for the reason of possible future scheduling conflict. Reportedly, if the actors strike is indeed taking place, the 36-year-old would be facing a clashing schedule between "Terminator Salvation" and a French comedy movie she is attached to.
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Production Started Earlier, Detailed Plot of 'Terminator Salvation' Unearthed
May 23, 2008 11:05:00Awhile back reports coming in had claimed that the fourth installment of "Terminator" franchise would start its production on May 12. However, the speculation proved to be misleading. On Thursday, May 22, Warner Bros. Pictures have sent out press release on the action movie's actual timing and location of the production stating that the principal photography of "Terminator Salvation" have begun on May 5 in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Aside from announcing the start of production, the studio also give out more information to the film's storyline. If before the plot was constricted only on the fact that Marcus Wright is the central figure in the movie and John Connor having survived the nuclear bombing leads a group of survivors in a struggle against the killing machines, the press release brings in more elaborated plot. In the newly outed storyline, it is partly explained who exactly Marcus is and how he and Connor come together.
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'Terminator Salvation' About to Roll Camera
May 08, 2008 11:05:06Though many have determined to finish their filming before July or even decided to postpone the productions due to the fear of the upcoming actors strike, those behind the "Terminator Salvation" seems to be undeterred by the situation. On Monday, May 12, the action movie about the fight for human race survival against killing machines will fall into production.
The particular starting date has been thought of by many Hollywood watchers to be a late start for filming since the Screen Actors Guild contract will reach its expire date on June 30 which is a bit more than a month away. By starting late, "Teminator Salvation" is said to be risking much since it won't get special "strike expense" insurance coverage as a compensation of delaying production and the fact that it is extremely difficult to halt production midway through. Still, an inside source have noted that filmmakers behind the fourth installment of the franchise have taken legal precautions on the matter and stated that the filming will be put on hold in case the strike does go on.
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'Terminator Salvation' Gets Common
May 06, 2008 02:05:38Often appearing in many action movies apparently helps notable rapper Common to land a role in the latest installment of "Terminator" movie, "Terminator Salvation". In the latest report concerning the Warner Bros. Pictures' tidbit, it is said that the Grammy-nominated hip-hop artist has boarded the project as one of the cast.
In the McG-directed movie that picks up the story of human survival against the artificially intelligent killing robots, the rapper whose real name is Lonnie Rashid Lynn Jr. is going to portray a freedom fighter who happens to be a member of John Connor's survivor group. He will be joining the already tapped cast that include Christian Bale, Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin and Moon Bloodgood.
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Starting Production, 'Terminator Salvation' Aimed to Be Kid-Friendly
May 05, 2008 02:05:17As the production of the fourth "Terminator" movie, "Terminator Salvation", begins on May 5, it is now said that the latest robot assassin film is aiming to broaden its range of audience. The newest report on the action movie claims that the film's producers at the Halcyon Co. are eyeing to make the film to be a PG-13 movie.
Believing that it is the right time to introduce the highly successful film franchise to new audience, Halcyon co-founder and co-CEO Victor Kubicek stated, "The ratings have changed. The PG-13 has increased in intensity." Further, report on the matter suggested that the kid-friendly rating's plan is taken following the success of the latest installment of "Die Hard" series, "Live Free or Die Hard", becoming the highest grossing movie of the series with $382.1 million worldwide after getting the PG-13 rating.
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'Charlie Bartlett' Star Being Kyle Reese in 'Terminator 4'
March 19, 2008 04:03:02The actor who depicted the lead character in comedy film "Charlie Bartlett" Anton Yelchin is being reported to possibly star in "Terminator Salvation". According to Hollywood Reporter, the 19-year-old actor has been negotiating to take the role of Kyle Reese who has been described to be the father of the lead character John Connor in the original film.
If indeed being tapped as one of the cast, Yelchin will be playing the teen-version of Reese. He will also star in the action thriller film alongside Christian Bale and Sam Worthington. Still, Hollywood Reporter noted that whether Bale who played John Connor and Yelchin would meet in a scene has yet to be known.
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'Terminator 4' Became Untitled Project?
March 11, 2008 01:03:50The Warner Bros. Pictures' action thriller film "Terminator Salvation" sent an upsetting news as the film has now been said to be without title. According ComingSoon, the film directed by McG has become an untitled project.
Whether the report is true or false has yet to be revealed. The movie news site didn't elaborate more on the reason why the original title has been removed. Despite the entitling of the film, the Warner Bros. Pictures' movie will still be released on May 22, 2009.
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'Terminator Salvation' Set for May 2009
February 26, 2008 02:02:32The fourth installment of the action thriller "Terminator Salvation" has been set for an early Summer release. Variety reported that Warner Bros. Pictures have announced that the Christian Bale-starrer film will hit the North American theaters on the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 22, 2009.
By releasing the McG-directed film on that particular date, Warner Bros. put "Terminator Salvation" to be up against Ben Stiller's sequel "Night at the Museum 2: Escape from the Smithsonian". The film will bow in three weeks after the 20th Century Fox's "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" that is slated for May 1, 2009 release, and two weeks following the release of Paramount Pictures' "Star Trek" which is scheduled to hit theaters on May 8, 2009.
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Recommended by James Cameron, Sam Worthington Cast in 'Terminator Salvation'
February 13, 2008 03:02:46The central character in the upcoming three "Terminator" film series has found its depicter. Variety reported that the Australian actor Sam Worthington will be starring in the action sci-fi pics, including the first film "Terminator Salvation", as Marcus.
Reportedly, the actor starring the forthcoming film "Avatar" was recommended by James Cameron to McG, the helmer of "Salvation". The recommendation was allegedly made when the two were talking on the phone since Cameron is still in New Zealand for his action thriller project for the 20th Century Fox.
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Plot Details About Terminator 4 Shared
January 07, 2008 03:01:36More details of the latest installment of Terminator film series have been outed. To SCI FI Wire at the time he was promoting the upcoming FOX TV series "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles", James Middleton, an associate producer of "Terminator Salvation" has shared the information about the film.
In the interview at Los Angeles' Golden Apple comic shop, he said that the new trilogy is set following the end of Terminator 3 saying, "It's post-apocalyptic." He then explained, "It's set after the events of 'Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines', where we see the nuclear exchange at the end of the movie, and we show what the world is like after this event, and we show how people try to deal in a post-apocalyptic world."
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Confirmed: Christian Bale Up for Terminator 4's John Connor!
December 03, 2007 10:12:16Heavy speculations on Christian Bale in line for leading role in "Terminator Salvation" turn out to indeed ring true. The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed that the Batman actor is currently in negotiations to play John Connor, the leader of the human resistance against Skynet.
Should Bale lands the deal, he will portray Connor in his thirties, who is organizing the surviving humans to fight against Skynet's army of robots. The character previously was played by Edward Furlong in "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" and Nick Stahl in "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines."
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Terminator 4 to Have New Batman Christian Bale in?
November 22, 2007 02:11:09Heavy talks are circulating around the net now pointing out that Christian Bale is up for an acting slot in "Terminator Salvation."
Ain't It Cool News claims to have heard from its trusted source that the Batman actor will play John Connor in the project, a role previously portrayed by Nick Stahl in "Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines." If this rings true, Bale's casting could only mean that pic will be starting a long time after "Machines" judging from the age difference between the thespian and Stahl.
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McG Claimed to Be Positive as Terminator 4 Helmer
November 17, 2007 11:11:19Looks like a name has already been locked to assume directing duties for 'Terminator Salvation." It's none other than McG, who has been heavily speculated to be in talks for the job, that's according to Moviehole.net.
Claiming to have the scoop from its top source, the site claimed that it's a done deal for the Kalamazoo-born filmmaker, saying "the 'Charlie�s Angels' helmer is signed, sealed and delivered."
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Terminator 4 Finally Gets a Title and Distributor
October 10, 2007 01:10:46Things seem to go well on the fourth installment of "Terminator" series. Not only it eventually gets a title of "Terminator Salvation", it also finds Warner Bros. Pictures as the distributor for North American regions.
Warner is reported to have the first right to negotiation for domestic theatrical and TV distribution rights since it served the the same task on the project's predecessor "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines." Plans now are being made to start filming the movie in early 2008 for a summer 2009 release.
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Terminator 4 to Have McG as Helmer and Vin Diesel the Star?
October 06, 2007 01:10:39Now that "Terminator Salvation" has been confirmed to be geared up for 2009 release, early talks have begun on the possible key talents involved in the project. Coming out as the candidates turn out to be McG and Vin Diesel, who are being speculated to be up for directing and starring in the flick, respectively.
Scoop from Cinematic Happenings Under Development (CHUD) has brought in a tidbit saying the former is engaged in talks to assume the helming task as the flick is intended to be set up as a pre-striker. Story is said to pick up beyond where "Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines" ended and center on John Connor who is organizing the surviving humans to fight against Skynet's army of robots.
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Terminator 4 Update from James Middleton
September 27, 2007 01:09:38More substantial information on "Terminator Salvation" has come in, thanks to "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" consulting producer James Middleton, who is overseeing the development of the project.
Revealed to IGN that the flick is being intended to be put in preproduction next month for a 2009 release while saying no name is attached yet to direct, Middleton delightfully gave out some important tidbits on the movie, which sure will provide fans a basic understanding about it:
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Dispute Occurs Over "T4" Rights
July 20, 2007 10:07:48Still in its early stage of development, "Terminator Salvation" has already faced serious problem on the way concerning its distribution rights.
Rights holders to the project are reported to have placed a lawsuit against MGM, alleging that the giant studio is interfering in their right to negotiate for the distribution of this fourth installment of the popular sci-fi action franchise.
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Name Cast for "Terminator 4"?
May 30, 2007 03:05:19In the middle of talks and speculations about whether Arnold Schwarzenegger will be back for "Terminator Salvation" or not, a surprising statement has come out from male model Marcus Schenkenberg concerning the flick during his appearance on Dutch talk show "Jensen!."
The Swedish hunk, who is also an actor, informed on the program that he had gone to Cannes Film Festival and managed to book four new film roles, one of which including that in "Terminator 4." Further, the guy also revealed that Schwarzenegger would have a 30-second cameo in the project.
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"T4" To Be the First in New "Terminator" Trilogy
May 10, 2007 02:05:49Well, looks like the war between human and machine will still continue at least for three more installments after "Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines." The confirmation is obtained from Derek Anderson and Victor Kubicek, CEOs of The Halcyon Company, following their acquisition of all the "Terminator" franchise rights from C2 partners Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna.
Aiming to build a new trilogy to the series, the pair thereby will make "Terminator Salvation" as the first leg of the trilogy, which depicts John Connor in his thirties and is leading humanity against the machines that have devastated the Earth with nuclear weapons. Pic is based on script penned by duo John Brancato and Michael Ferris with Moritz Borman producing alongside Anderson and Kubicek.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger May Pop Up in "Terminator 4"
March 02, 2007 04:03:21Though it is very unlikely for Arnold Schwarzenegger to return to show business, there appears to be a possibility to see the Governor of California on the big screen again, even just a glimpse of him.
Boston Herald reported that MGM Chairman and CEO Harry Sloan has given a hint that Schwarzenegger could possibly make an appearance in the company's "Terminator Salvation", the fourth installment of the hit series of which previous three billed the actor as the lead each.
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More Layers Unveiled on "Terminator 4"
October 19, 2006 12:10:16As everything is being prepared for "Terminator Salvation" to bring it up to the surface, the flick's co-writer Michael Ferris has eagerly revealed to Entertainment Weekly several tidbits about the projects, which is expected to come out in 2008.
Answering people's speculations on the return of Arnold Schwarzenegger in this fourth installment of the franchise, Ferris openly stated that the star will not make any appearance this time. "'Terminator 3' kind of closed the book on Schwarzenegger, as did his gubernatorial career," so he remarked.
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Arnold the Terminator is Back
October 12, 2005 04:10:52Is it becoming a governor or an actor? Which one Hollywood action man Arnold Schwarzenegger chooses? Either one is okay anyway. It is well with him to become a governor and so to return to the big screen.
The actor reportedly has agreed to star in two big money sequels, namely "Terminator Salvation" and "True Lies 2." Speaking about the possibility that he would re-team with Oscar-winning director James Cameron in a fourth 'Terminator' installment, Eliza Dushku says, "We all caught up. Me, Jamie Lee Curtis, Arnold, and Jim (James Cameron), to talk about True Lies 2, about a month ago in California. We're doing it. Definitely doing it. I'm revved."
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Reader's Reviews
I totally agree bale will blow us away
posted by cindersred on Oct 24, 2008i just can wait 2 c ma hero bale......
posted by Xifat on Sep 15, 2008I can't wait to see Helena Bonham Carter in this, she'll kick ass!
posted by mr-lovett on Aug 20, 2008the film is... fabulous,incredible,nice,brilliant
posted by silvia on Jul 27, 2008i think this movie will rock the house, cause christian bale is the main star as John Connor and Know fans can fully see the war between man vs. machines and skynet instead of show snipits of the war in past terminator films, but i really wanted claire danes to return as kate connor, and arnold, but all good things come to and end.
posted by railrunneradrian on Jul 13, 2008